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MithranArkanere · Jul 13, 2009, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Enon

Sorry, just my opinion.

Since Wisdom, Treasure Hunter and Lucky are more useful, it's only logical to restrict them to characters.

That makes no sense. Not in GW.
In GW, the more useful is something, the easier is to acquire. Flashy stuff is the harder one... with the exception of the Heavy Equipment bags, but that's for another thread.

If the Chance titles (Wisdom, Lucky/Unlucky, Trasure Hunter) were account wide, you would have to change characters to benefit from the effects.
That, more than anything, it's annoying. It does't matter who stays on top of a circle, salvages something or identifies something, it's something you do in outposts, and there it's annoying to save and store all items to be identified and salvaged with one character to benefit from the effects.
Being them account wide, people is free to switch characters whenever they want without felling they are wasting time and gold if they open chests with that character.

You could say the same for the Festive titles (Party Animal, Sweet Tooth, Drunkard), but those titles have no effect. They are just gold sinks.
Many gold sinks are good compared with having to switch characters every singl time you want to identify and salvage, and to have to keep all keys and lockpicks to be used with one character.

If the Festive items had effects, then it would make sense to make them account wide.
And it that case I would agree ONLY with effects that make the effects of those items last more: 10% in rank 1, 100% in rank 2, or have 5%(1) and 50%(2) more effect for the instant ones. And no effect whatsoever for the one-time visual ones (fireworks, poppers, etc).
That makes sense, since someone that has spent lots and lots of gold in beer, deserves to stay drunk longer drinking less(even if realistically the more you drink the more you'll endure it), and someone that has eaten lots and lots of candy, deserves to get longer rushes and to get 7% DP removed instead 5%.

crazybanshee · Jul 13, 2009, 10:10 PM // 22:10

They're gold sinks. At this point, do you really think they're going to change things that radically?

Shayne Hawke · Jul 14, 2009, 01:28 AM // 01:28

Changing the Drunkard consumables to grant points like the other titles would be great. Changing the titles to account-wide is less important though. They're great gold sinks, yes, but the only reason you would get these titles maxed in the first place is for maxing them, and people who want it maxed on multiple characters should be ready to handle maxing it on other characters.

ajc2123 · Jul 14, 2009, 03:30 AM // 03:30

/dontcare for account wide.

/FortheloveofGODsigned for drunkard change. I can't stand clicking on my ales during a mission, and watching the title bar progression so I know EXACTLY when to press it so im cost efficient. PLEASE make it like part/sweet >_<

Arduin · Jul 14, 2009, 10:03 AM // 10:03

Linsey has said she is aware of us wanting the drunkard timer for all boozes, just like the Grog's. Maybe, just maybe.....

Slightly off-topic, but it should answer some questions.

Tenebrae · Jul 14, 2009, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Linsey has said she is aware of us wanting the drunkard timer for all boozes, just like the Grog's. Maybe, just maybe.....

Slightly off-topic, but it should answer some questions.

Well not really but thats something , at least implement some timer . Signed for that a gazillion times.

Sweet Mystery · Jul 14, 2009, 11:38 AM // 11:38

Having maxed the 3 consuming titles on 1 character I think they need to be kept character based. Yes I could scream for account wide to get more maxed titles. But its a character focused one and should stay that way.

However Drunkard needs to be changed to levels of intoxication gained for the points.... hell its the worst of the lost to max.... and needs to be balanced with the others.

Shriketalon · Jul 15, 2009, 12:49 AM // 00:49

No effect?

There's three reasons right there.

Sure, it's silly PvE skills, but the fact is, if you are going for the drunkard title, you cannot afford to use these skills to their full extent on any character except the one drunkard.

There's no real reason to keep them character based. A level 2 character can get a maxed consumable title through the chest, so claiming low level Party Animals breaks immersion is foolish. It's no more character based than a PvP title won by another character on the account.

And ultimately, the title shows one thing: the account holder has wealth.

The wealth to buy the items can be transfered around, can be gathered across the account, and the items themselves can be stored and traded through the Xunlai chest. The titles, then, reflect the account holder's investment of time and money, nothing more.

Whereas Legendary Vanquisher says "I kicked a great deal of ass with this character across all three campaigns," Life of the Party says "I gained a lot of wealth and bought/farmed/acquired many, many, many consumables."

There's nothing character based about it, no more than requiring chest farming only benefit the one char opening the chest.

king_trouble · Jul 15, 2009, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Take in mind that those skills only take effect when a character is drunk. Those titles are really only extra titles if you got nothing else to spend your gold on. Plus how is this change to account wide going to benifit me since I've already maxed out sweet tooth and party on 5 of my characters, along with drunkard one two.

HawkofStorms · Jul 15, 2009, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Shriketalon

No effect?

There's three reasons right there.

Sure, it's silly PvE skills, but the fact is, if you are going for the drunkard title, you cannot afford to use these skills to their full extent on any character except the one drunkard.

There's no real reason to keep them character based. A level 2 character can get a maxed consumable title through the chest, so claiming low level Party Animals breaks immersion is foolish. It's no more character based than a PvP title won by another character on the account.

And ultimately, the title shows one thing: the account holder has wealth.

The wealth to buy the items can be transfered around, can be gathered across the account, and the items themselves can be stored and traded through the Xunlai chest. The titles, then, reflect the account holder's investment of time and money, nothing more.

Whereas Legendary Vanquisher says "I kicked a great deal of ass with this character across all three campaigns," Life of the Party says "I gained a lot of wealth and bought/farmed/acquired many, many, many consumables."

There's nothing character based about it, no more than requiring chest farming only benefit the one char opening the chest.

Or... if you have no interest in getting stupid titles to get a couple pixels under your character name, you can just drink your booze on whoever and use the skills.

Titles are optional grind.
There is no injustice to it.

Regulus X · Jul 15, 2009, 04:10 AM // 04:10

It'd be extremely uber if we could check the box of the consumable title of choice to enable it's effects in the follow manner:

Drunkard/IAH - [Anywhere] instantly activate the drunkard effect (level: 1...5) to inherit the effects of PvE skills and play the game all drunk for kicks.

Sweet Tooth - [In towns only] Run to the NPCs and get around towns faster.

Party Animal - [Anywhere] Instantly conjure some kewl sparkler effects for fun during any occasion.

I highly doubt Anet has any time to implement this, but it'd be super awesome and makes so much sense it's stupid!

MisterB · Jul 15, 2009, 04:25 AM // 04:25

This change would likely have no effect on the motivation or behavior of the afk drunkard bots. It's pretty obvious why. Hint: afk.

Regulus X · Jul 15, 2009, 04:35 AM // 04:35

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Originally Posted by MisterB

This change would likely have no effect on the motivation or behavior of the afk drunkard bots. It's pretty obvious why. Hint: afk.

Botters cannot be stopped. No dev's to allot time into assessing botters and too many players simply don't really care tbh. But the change I propose would make those that max it more enjoyable in PvE. Just picture running fast through towns and being able to apply drunkard clauses from PvE skills without having to buy any more ales. Picture lighting up the spot with random party item effects by simply enabling it via clicking the title checkbox ON.

Nerel · Jul 15, 2009, 05:45 AM // 05:45

Why would Anet even care if player's 'bot' the drunkard title via macros and such, even Gaile Grey admitted that she was going to take the macro route for this title when she was CR. If Gaile can bot the title, so can you.

edit: If the CR of the game is resorting to 'botting' a title, you can tell that the title's mechanics are broken.

edit2: Gaile's talk page shows Gaile discussing the 'drunkard bot' and admitting it IS a banable offense.

I guess if you want to get Drunkard the easy way, you use a 'macro' as Gaile herself suggested in game, but whatever you do, don't refer to your 'macro' as a 'bot'.

MisterB · Jul 15, 2009, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Why would Anet even care if player's 'bot' the drunkard title via macros and such, even Gaile Grey admitted that she was going to take the macro route for this title when she was CR. If Gaile can bot the title, so can you.

edit: If the CR of the game is resorting to 'botting' a title, you can tell that the title's mechanics are broken.

edit2: Gaile's talk page shows Gaile discussing the 'drunkard bot' and admitting it IS a banable offense.

I guess if you want to get Drunkard the easy way, you use a 'macro' as Gaile herself suggested in game, but whatever you do, don't refer to your 'macro' as a 'bot'.

Gaile never said she was planning to bot the title, she said support might be less likely to pursue people using bots to get the title. Source for your claim she planned to bot it, please. Use of bots for any reason can result in a ban.

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Originally Posted by Regulus X

Botters cannot be stopped. No dev's to allot time into assessing botters and too many players simply don't really care tbh. But the change I propose would make those that max it more enjoyable in PvE. Just picture running fast through towns and being able to apply drunkard clauses from PvE skills without having to buy any more ales. Picture lighting up the spot with random party item effects by simply enabling it via clicking the title checkbox ON.

My reply was directed at the OP's suggestion of making drunkard account wide, and I was specifically addressing point 1 in the first post. It's simple. People who afk and use bots to acumulate points towards the title couldn't care less which character is earning the points, because they are not playing the character while consuming the ales. Apologies if you thought I was replying to you; I had not read your post when I replied.

Nerel · Jul 15, 2009, 06:51 AM // 06:51

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Originally Posted by MisterB

Gaile never said she was planning to bot the title, she said support might be less likely to pursue people using bots to get the title. Source for your claim she planned to bot it, please. Use of bots for any reason can result in a ban.

I think you'll find I said Gaile suggested she was going to use a macro for the title, not that Gaile claimed she was going to 'bot' the title... you might consider that sophistry on my part, but it does lend itself to the confusion players have over issues of macros and botting, that Anet are unable to clarify without setting troublesome precedents.

As for Gaile 'suggesting' that she was going to use a macro for her drinking, I believe the screen shots of it were posted here on Guru LONG ago. Many people who were around can probably remember it. But just for you, I guess I'll use the now functioning 'Search' feature...

Solas · Jul 15, 2009, 11:05 AM // 11:05

If drunkard stays the way it is it should be account wide, purly due to the massive Time sink it is (160 hours, more than a week of just clicking)

But if it was brought in line with the party and sugar titles then toon only would be fair enough.

As for the OP he has some fair points, I remember in my first year during holdiay events I would sometimes just hang around LA /dancing with others a crowd would grow and then use party items and potions for fun, but sicne the title came in they're just there for the title, if it was account wide I could play around more on my alts.

problem with that is they're not that hard to max account wide, but still may take a while.

AtomicMew · Jul 16, 2009, 10:45 PM // 22:45

/signed

But not for the reasons you listed, because those are just stupid -.-

I hate being pidgeon-holed into one character, because it's more efficient to title maxing. There's basically no reason NOT to make it account wide, so they should just do it.

IronSheik · Jul 16, 2009, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by traversc

I hate being pidgeon-holed into one character, because it's more efficient to title maxing. There's basically no reason NOT to make it account wide, so they should just do it.

Because people with more than one char with them maxed will qq.

I myself have two Gwamms, both with drunk/sweets/party, and I'd still love to see it account wide, I always wanted to use sweets for the extra boost in PvE on my other toons

Tenebrae · Jul 16, 2009, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by IronSheik

Because people with more than one char with them maxed will qq.

I myself have two Gwamms, both with drunk/sweets/party, and I'd still love to see it account wide, I always wanted to use sweets for the extra boost in PvE on my other toons

That didnt stop ANet to join Treasure Hunter and Wisdom , the point is the effect. No effect , no need to make them account wide.